Against the -isms

oceanicsteam:

erikavictoria:

First of all you people are Dumb fucks because your concentrating on one belief from a very old artifact. Yes, a lot of southerners owned slaves. But I think you forget a couple things. First of all, The north had many slaves too. Lincolns own FAMILY owned slaves. It’s a flag that represents people who share many ideas. Just as our flag represents America today. But have you forgotten this flag is from the 1860’s? People were far different then. And this racism wasn’t just here. Ever hear Germans and Jew’s talk about Shvartzas? Or English talk about Pikeys and Irish talk about English. And than think how much racism you honestly hear TODAY on a daily basis and just pass it off. And just because the North fought the South doesn’t mean the North wasn’t just as fucked. It’s just too bad they can’t buy 20 slaves and start a plantation in FUCKING WISCONSIN. Now I’m gonna give you a break to think about that. Get your brain out? Didja close your eyes and step into the time machine? Kavoooooosh motherfucker? Now do you understand why there were more slaves in the south? Cause if you wanted to make money from your slaves instead of having one to just cook meals and help raise your kids and you were in the North you were also what is called a FUCKING IDIOT.

That’s the same reason why if you try to take a paragraph from the Bible seriously most people are going to laugh at you. Its a fucking old ass passage. Yes the bible is is 2000 years old and this isn’t even 200. Fifty years is a big change. A hundred years is a giant change. This is a big gap. And yes you can be a fucking dumb ass and keep repeating the south was racist! We aren’t trying to argue that I don’t think (I’m not) but if that’s what you want to repeat than that’s all you learned and that’s all you know. Times were changing already during that time. If Lincoln hadn’t abolished slavery himself it would have happened soon. Even many Southerners were freeing slaves at that time. Sure they tried fighting for their rights to own slaves. Fucked up, but that was a very minor thing. In fact to them it wasn’t so much even fighting for slaves. It was fighting for independence. And now that is the war that essentially is responsible for the UNITED STATES. For the FBI doing drug busts in your fucking town. The DEA. The ATF. All those dirty cops you people look at. Well thank god for The North! The progression of Isolationism to International Interventionism!

Fucking A! Closing I would like to repeat some things if you didn’t understand. I’m not racist. I don’t drive a big truck with a Confederate flag on the back. I don’t listen to George Strait. I think The Confederates would have done America better than The North. I’m sorry, but the mindset towards slavery WAS changing. And the North just made a giant police state.

If that flag offends you, You need a History lesson. Not from liberals or rednecks.

AMEN!

You just really said the north was a giant police state when the south fought a war over whether or not they had the legal ability to own and control other people. On the flip side, the South had an internal passport system as well as the Provost, whose job it was to quash dissent. Let’s see, what area of the country generally supports the War on Drugs the most while spending more on prisons than education, including on the lovely private prison industry.(Hint, it’s not the North East) The idea slavery would’ve been abolished soon is so fucking laughable. THEY FOUGHT A WAR OVER THE FACT NEW TERRITORIES WERE NOT ALLOWING SLAVES. The southern aristocracy since the invention of the cotton gin had built an economy that was completely dependent on slavery.

And to recopy my old post

As someone who was a history major, I’d like to just add an old quote to this that is compltely true:
People who know nothing about the civil war think it was about slavery.
People who know a little about the civil war think it was about state’s rights.
People who know a lot about the civil war know it was about slavery.

It’s that simple. Everything that lead up to the civil war about slavery. Hell the south often supported acts and laws that are the complete anathema of state’s rights in the decades leading up to it if said law supported the institution of slavery. Now this doesn’t mean the average soldier out fighting was doing it for slavery, but those with actual power seceded and had the war fought for slavery, and even on that note a lot of common southerns found the perceived threat with to the institution of slavery with the election of Lincoln as a threat to them which speaks volumes in itself in terms of how slavery enveloped everything in the South considering most of them owned no slaves.

Hell if there was one side that wasn’t about slavery it was the north since the leaders of the north and most of the original volunteers saw the preservation of the Union as not just a legal obligation but a moral one for the United States. The eventual emancipation proclamation was above all just a political move because it isolated the South internationally and put a moral issue about the war beyond that of country at a time when after massive losses people in the North really needed a reason to keep fighting. The hilarious thing is slavery was never under threat beyond that of expansion into the territories, fuck knows how long literal slavery would’ve kept going on if the civil war never happened. Lincoln and the Republican party(and the Whigs before them) did not believe they had the legal authority to interfere with slavery in the states, hence why the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slave in the South and not those in slave states that remained in the Union, it was an executive military order in regards to occupied territory.

The funny thing is slavery is still widespread in the United States, we just call it our hilariously corrupt judicial/prison system. Tens of thousands of inmates do work that should be done by public workers or create manufactured goods(especially for the military, gotta keep that war machine going and say helmets cost $40 each when they were made by someone who works for 9 cents an hour) for free or near free. Hell in some southern states, most famously Angola prison(which was a former plantation to begin with) in Louisiana, prisoners, overwhelmingly black, still fucking pick cotton. Of course this is all maintained by a combination of elected judges needing campaign contributions that are easily handed over by the bail bonds industry and the private prison industry. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of people have a vested interest in making sure the US forever continues to have the world’s highest incarceration rate as well as making sure people stay in prison for as long as possible, hence not having a reason to create an actual rehabilitation system. Nothing can go wrong with that right? Right??? Oh wait fuck! Well I mean it can’t get worse than that righ…OH FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK!

The funny thing is you can literally and legally call it for what it is, slavery, because slavery was in fact never fully abolished, read the 13th amendment

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

edit:
Heck the South threw such a hissy fit as usual over the non existant threat to slavery, they wouldn’t even pass the Corwin Amendment, a constitutional amendment already passed by 3 northern states to try to keep the South from leaving, an amendment that would’ve forever stopped any law or new constitutional amendment that would interfere with slavery inside of states. Of course though this meant current states, not territories that might become news states(which as Bleeding Kansas showed were near inevitably going to become free states)

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